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To the excellent analysis  Lies Damned Lies and 400 000 Smoking-related  Deaths www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf explaining the methodological flaws in the computer estimates of ''smoking related morbidity and mortality'' we need to add that the definition of smokers as determined by the CDC (Center For Disease Control, U.S.A.) is quite broad and calculates the risk factors of anyone who has smoked at least 100 cigarettes in his lifetime and either quit -- irrelevant of how long ago and how much one smoked -- or still smokes either regularly or occasionally  --irrelevant of how long ago one started and how much and often one smokes --  thus ignoring the linear dose response model  that if applied properly would produce more realistic and credible conclusions.   Source:  https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/help/glossary_hp.asp  and https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/methodology.asp  
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To the excellent analysis  [www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf Lies Damned Lies and 400 000 Smoking-related Deaths], explaining the methodological flaws in the computer estimates of ''smoking related morbidity and mortality'', we need to add that the definition of smokers as determined by the CDC (Center For Disease Control, U.S.A.) is quite broad and calculates the risk factors of anyone who has smoked at least 100 cigarettes in his lifetime and either quit -- irrelevant of how long ago and how much one smoked -- or still smokes either regularly or occasionally  --irrelevant of how long ago one started and how much and often one smokes --  thus ignoring the linear dose response model  that if applied properly would produce more realistic and credible conclusions. Source:  https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/help/glossary_hp.asp  and https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/methodology.asp  
  
 
Anyone --  current, former or never smoker -- can get a '' smoking related disease'' and  despite  the best anti-tobacco experts, including Sir Richard Doll, who testified in the  Scottish landmark  legal case '' MRS MARGARET McTEAR vs. IMPERIAL TOBACCO LIMITED, it could not be proven that had it not been for an individual's cigarette smoking, he would not have contracted lung cancer ( see [9.10] here:  http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2005CSOH69.html )
 
Anyone --  current, former or never smoker -- can get a '' smoking related disease'' and  despite  the best anti-tobacco experts, including Sir Richard Doll, who testified in the  Scottish landmark  legal case '' MRS MARGARET McTEAR vs. IMPERIAL TOBACCO LIMITED, it could not be proven that had it not been for an individual's cigarette smoking, he would not have contracted lung cancer ( see [9.10] here:  http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2005CSOH69.html )
  
 
When one looks at how ''smoking related'' diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population, one can draw complete different conclusions from the sound-bite ''Tobacco is the first avoidable cause of mortality in the world ''.   
 
When one looks at how ''smoking related'' diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population, one can draw complete different conclusions from the sound-bite ''Tobacco is the first avoidable cause of mortality in the world ''.   
Indeed based on real people with real diseases giving real answers as opposed to computer estimates using risk factors as their base model, here's how diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population.  And let's not forget the broad definitions of current smokers and former smokers as explained above:
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Indeed based on real people with real diseases giving real answers as opposed to computer estimates using risk factors as their base model, here's how diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population.  And let's not forget the broad definitions of current smokers and former smokers as explained above:
Any smoking-related chronic disease
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'''Any smoking-related chronic disease'''
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{|
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|Current smokers||36.9%
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|Former||26.0%
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|Never||37.1%
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Current smokers 36.9%
 
Former 26.0%
 
Never 37.1%
 
  
Malignant neoplasms
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{|
 
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|'''Malignant neoplasms'''||Current smokers||Former||Never
Lung
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|Lung||20.9%||61.2%||17.9%
Current smokers 20.9%
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Former 61.2%
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|Other cancers||38.8%||33.2%||28.0%
Never 17.9%
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|Coronary heart disease||29.3%||31.8%||38.9%
Other cancers
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|Stroke||30.1%||23.0%||47.0%
Current smokers 38.8%
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Former 33.2%
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|Emphysema||49.1%||28.6%||22.3%
Never 28.0%
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|Chronic bronchitis||41.1%||20.0%||38.9%
Coronary heart disease
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|Other chronic disease||23.0%||23.5%||53.5%
Current smokers 29.3%
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Former 31.8%
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|No chronic disease||19.3%||16.4%||64.3%
Never 38.9%
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|}
 
 
Stroke  
 
 
 
Current Smokers 30.1%  
 
Former 23.0%  
 
Never 47.0%  
 
 
 
Emphysema  
 
 
 
Current Smokers 49.1%  
 
Former 28.6%  
 
Never 22.3%  
 
 
 
Chronic bronchitis  
 
 
 
Current Smokers 41.1%  
 
Former 20.0%  
 
Never 38.9%
 
 
 
Other chronic disease  
 
 
 
Current Smokers 23.0%  
 
Former 23.5%  
 
Never 53.5%
 
 
 
No chronic disease  
 
 
 
Current Smokers 19.3%  
 
Former 16.4%  
 
Never 64.3%
 
 
Source:  Table 2 here :  http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5644a2.htm
 
Source:  Table 2 here :  http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5644a2.htm
  

Revision as of 13:07, 13 June 2012

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Tobacco is the first avoidable cause of mortality in the world

To the excellent analysis [www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf Lies Damned Lies and 400 000 Smoking-related Deaths], explaining the methodological flaws in the computer estimates of smoking related morbidity and mortality, we need to add that the definition of smokers as determined by the CDC (Center For Disease Control, U.S.A.) is quite broad and calculates the risk factors of anyone who has smoked at least 100 cigarettes in his lifetime and either quit -- irrelevant of how long ago and how much one smoked -- or still smokes either regularly or occasionally --irrelevant of how long ago one started and how much and often one smokes -- thus ignoring the linear dose response model that if applied properly would produce more realistic and credible conclusions. Source: https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/help/glossary_hp.asp and https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/sammec/methodology.asp

Anyone -- current, former or never smoker -- can get a smoking related disease and despite the best anti-tobacco experts, including Sir Richard Doll, who testified in the Scottish landmark legal case MRS MARGARET McTEAR vs. IMPERIAL TOBACCO LIMITED, it could not be proven that had it not been for an individual's cigarette smoking, he would not have contracted lung cancer ( see [9.10] here: http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2005CSOH69.html )

When one looks at how smoking related diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population, one can draw complete different conclusions from the sound-bite Tobacco is the first avoidable cause of mortality in the world . Indeed based on real people with real diseases giving real answers as opposed to computer estimates using risk factors as their base model, here's how diseases are distributed within the U.S.A. population. And let's not forget the broad definitions of current smokers and former smokers as explained above:

Any smoking-related chronic disease

Current smokers 36.9%
Former 26.0%
Never 37.1%


Malignant neoplasms Current smokers Former Never
Lung 20.9% 61.2% 17.9%
Other cancers 38.8% 33.2% 28.0%
Coronary heart disease 29.3% 31.8% 38.9%
Stroke 30.1% 23.0% 47.0%
Emphysema 49.1% 28.6% 22.3%
Chronic bronchitis 41.1% 20.0% 38.9%
Other chronic disease 23.0% 23.5% 53.5%
No chronic disease 19.3% 16.4% 64.3%

Source: Table 2 here : http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5644a2.htm

There is no safe level of exposure for ETS, secondhand smoke is in the same category of carcinogens as asbestos and benzene.

The no safe level of exposure for ETS sound bite originated with Surgeon General Richard Carmona's statement that he made during the press conference of his 2006 report: The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. but is not included in the report itself. The closest resemblance to this statement is on page 65, which reads:

"The evidence for underlying mechanisms of respiratory injury from exposure to secondhand smoke suggests that a safe level of exposure may not exist, thus implying that any exposure carries some risk. For infants, children, and adults with asthma or with more sensitive respiratory systems, even very brief exposures to secondhand smoke can trigger intense bronchopulmonary responses that could be life threatening in the most susceptible individuals."

This is clearly speculative ("suggests...may") and it only applies to people who are extremely susceptible. Specifically, he seems to be referring to chronic asthmatics but there is no definition of what "very brief exposures" are. Ultimately, 'no safe level' means that no safe level has been detected with accuracy; it does not mean that exposure at any level is dangerous. Although the more accurate phrase that is used by some anti-tobacco lobby groups doesn't necessarily spell that out, it tends to be more honest by at least hinting as much: there are no known safe levels of second hand smoke 'known' being the operative word here. Much like potatoes, another nightshade plant that contains potentially harmful glycoalkaloids, it would take great effort to determine such levels. In the case of second hand smoke, the ends justify the means anti-tobacco philosophy will never allow such efforts to be undertaken. Similar to the conclusions about harm from potatoes, it's safe to say that common sense, decades of real life experience and epidemiological studies, dictate that there should be no reason for concern. From: [1]

"The Committee considered that, despite the long history of human consumption of plants containing glycoalkaloids, the available epidemiological and experimental data from human and laboratory animal studies did not permit the determination of a safe level of intake. The Committee recognized that the development of empirical data to support such a level would require considerable effort. Nevertheless, it felt that the large body of experience with the consumption of potatoes, frequently on a daily basis, indicated that normal glycoalkaloid levels (20-100 mg/kg) found in properly grown and handled tubers were not of concern."

70% of smokers want to quit

The Environmental Protection Agency has identified secondhand smoke as a Class A carcinogen.

Exposure to secondhand smoke increases a child’s risk for asthma attacks, pneumonia, ear infections and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

Studies indicate that secondhand smoke can cause cancer, emphysema, heart attacks and strokes in adult nonsmokers

Secondhand smoke regulations are about respecting the rights of ALL people, smokers and nonsmokers, to breathe smoke-free air.

According to the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Engineers, “there are no filtration systems that eliminate all of the toxins in secondhand smoke.”[16] There is no system that is “state-of-the-art” as no system can effectively remove the toxins.

No ventilation system can remove all the harmful elements of secondhand smoke—even if the room doesn’t smell like smoke the toxins are still there[17] and are still a threat to the health of the people breathing in that air.